We received our first comment on Facebook (btw, you should follow us) from a big Jeremy Lin fan. He thinks we’re not showing Lin the level of respect he deserves, and he very well may be right. Anyway, I’ve copied his comment below, followed by my response. Now it’s up to you to decide: is Lin the face of the franchise?
I’ve listened to your two podcasts and like them but there’s some issues, and I’ll get to them in a minute. I’ve listened to all of the Locked On Nets podcast and most of the EC teams podcasts and NBA podcast in AudioBoom. I like you guys’ light-hearted take on the Brooklyn Nets news and team related. They are quite enjoyable. First, I’d like to say I’m a JLin7 fan first before continuing. I’ve followed him ever since NYK days.
And now, I found myself becoming a loyal Nets fan as well due to franchise’s direction, team culture and chemistry, and circumstances. I’d say I’m still a Nets fan, if JLin7 leaves town (by his own design), I’ll still be here rooting for the team to succeed.
So, I do care about the Nets and its success. But I’m also a JLin7 fan (as well as Lillard and SC30).
The issues: your bias and negativities towards Jeremy Lin on the podcast are not funny. Clearly, Lin is this Nets team’s leader and floor general, last season and onward, unless we heard something otherwise about that from Marks/coach KA. There’s a recent ESPN podcast interview on Marks and he clearly stated that Lin brings leadership to the clubhouse. Is he the face of the franchise – That’s yet to be seen. Results speak louder than words. I want to see success with the Nets before I start claiming this or that player is the face of the franchise. We all know too well about the NBA and it is all business. With all that said, there’s too much bias when comes to Lin.
First, he played 36 games, and 20 games won. What was the Nets’ true record ? Could you have ask John Wall to play 36 games last season with this Nets squad (including Scola, Greivis, Bennett) under a rookie coach and get us 20 wins ? i don’t think Wall would have done better. But more likely worse. Or K. Irving ? Or Lowry ? Truth of the matter is: Lin is the most valuable player on this Nets team – an All-stars caliber capable to lead on both ends of the floor, offensively and defensively. I like Lopez a lot but he was no game changer like Lin (CP3 or Blake Griffin ?? – which is more valuable?) Lin is CP3 to this Nets team. If Lin hadn’t played 36 games (many games were under minute restrictions) the Nets probably wouldn’t even log more than 7 wins.
Why are you guys advocating the Nets should get rid of an All-stars caliber player this season or next or ever ? We’ve seen the results. It’s there. The intangibles that Lin brought to this team is like the three-headed monster without the heads if Lin was not the floor. I know what’s he’s capable of (take a hard look of his 80+ wins against top teams like Cavs, Raptors, Celtics, Spurs, Rockets, Grizzlies). Before you ever mention Archie’s flashes again can you list Archie’s 80+ scoring prowess against those teams I’ve just mentioned.
To be honest to myself, K.Irving and Jeremy Lin are the two best point guards in the East from 2016-17 and onward. My prediction: with the upgraded talents in D-Lo (Foye), Carroll, Mozgov and possibly 1-2 more moves – Lin can lead this squad to Top 5th seed in East 2017-18. We shall wait and see.
Here’s my response:
Wow, thanks so much for your extremely thoughtful message! We’re really excited anyone (other than a small group of our friends) is even listening! You make some great points about Lin – we were objectively a MUCH better team when he was playing. That is absolutely true. And I think that one of the hosts – Simon (this is Bill responding, btw) – likes Jeremy Lin considerably more than I do, and would agree that he is an essential part of this team. He has included him in his starting 5 in both casts, and rolls his eyes every time I suggest that Archie Goodwin should start over Lin.
As you mentioned, this is a light-hearted take on the Nets. We are both irrationally obsessed with the worst team in the NBA (last season anyway – I think we both genuinely believe they’ll be significantly better next year), and this is just sort of a fun way to engage with something we both kind of see as an absurd (if sincere) passion.
Do I actually think that today, July 12, 2017, Archie Goodwin is a better player than Jeremy Lin: absolutely not. But, for me anyway, so much about being a Nets fan is reveling in the fantasy of what the Nets might one day become (because to dwell on what they currently are is too depressing). So while I fully acknowledge (here anyway, I know I haven’t on the cast) that Lin is currently better than Goodwin, I keep including Archie in my starting 5 because I want desperately to believe that one of these young guys is magically going to become an NBA superstar.
Hopefully this clarifies a bit where I’m coming from – it’s less a place of objective NBA analysis and more one of wishful NBA imaginings. That’s one of the fantastic aspects of current Nets-fandom, I think, that the team is so bad that one has to take refuge in more or less irrational fantasies of future greatness.
One thing I failed to include was a response to Jett’s claim that Lin and Irving have been the top two PGs in the East from 2016-2017. Conceding that Lin is probably better than Goodwin is one thing, but I can say with near certainty that Lin is not the #2 PG in the East. For fun, here’s a list of PGs in the East from 2016-2017 who I think are better than Lin (in no particular order):
- Kyrie Irving (which Jett would concede)
- John Wall
- Isaiah Thomas
- Kyle Lowry
- Kemba Walker
And many more for whom a case could easily be made:
- Jeff Teague
- Ricky Rubio
- Goran Dragic
- Elfrid Payton
- Jrue Holiday
Thanks for the comment Jett, and thanks so much for listening. Hope to hear more from you (and others) as the cast goes on.